Atmospheric Engine

MYTH: Brown’s Gas to pump water in over-unity fashion.
The figures as shown by various people seem to indicate over-unity energy storage by pumping water uphill and then using a normal water turbine to turn the potential power of the water into work.

In fact, the energy storage by pumping water using the pressure and vacuum created by Brown’s Gas is severely under-unity.

You need to convert the figures you have into a common language to understand the proper relationship ( I choose joules or watt-seconds). These people are saying that it takes four watts-seconds (four joules) to make a liter of Brown’s Gas; in fact Yull Brown’s electrolyzers take over four watt-HOURS (14,400 joules) per liter of Brown’s Gas. I do know that anyone building an engine based on These People’s figures is doomed to failure. I base this opinion on actual experimentation, to back up these calculations.

I refer you back to my Wattage Efficiency Calculations, my mention of joules and my careful explanation of meaningful factors by using common TIME for all factors in my “Brown’s Gas, Book 2′. What these People have done is measure a Time of only one second for the cycle of the “implosion” machine versus the Time of one hour to generate the gas to do that one second’s work.

To lift a liter of water ten meters in one second requires 98 joules of power, and this is what you can expect if you drop a liter of water 10 meters in one second.

To make enough Brown’s Gas to raise the liter of water by the implosion method would require 14400 joules of power, and that doesn’t consider the inefficiencies involved, that’s just the energy required to make a liter of Brown’s Gas to either displace the water (and push it up) or implode above the water and have vacuum pull the water up. In fact, because of the elastic nature of gasses under pressure and vacuum, considerably more Brown’s Gas than one liter would have to be produced.

MYTH: Atmospheric ‘over-unity’ engine.
An atmospheric engine based on implosion would be grossly inefficient. The math goes like this: One horsepower is 550 ft/lbs/sec. One horsepower is 746 watts. Assume a piston of ten centimeters (four inches) in diameter that travels 30 centimeters (about one foot). This displaces 2355 cubic centimeters (about 150.72 cubic inches). Atmospheric pressure is one bar (14.7 psi at sea level). The working area of the piston is 31.4 square centimeters (12.56 square inches). 12.56 * 14.7 * one foot per second (one stroke of engine per second), equals 184.63 foot lbs per sec or 0.34 horsepower (184.63/550). It takes 2729.25 joules ((192960/18) / 3.7) to make the Brown’s Gas that pushed the piston down against atmospheric pressure. (At two volts this is 1364.63 amps or 2729.25 watt-seconds or 3.66 horsepower (2729.25*0.00134).

It takes over ten times the electricity to run the “atmospheric engine” (just to run it without getting ANY power out) than if you’d simply ran an electric motor without worrying about Brown’s Gas (and getting full power out).


MYTH: Implosion propulsion of boats.
The idea is to run a series of chambers in the bottom of the boat, an implosion would suck in water and then the pressurized Brown’s Gas would eject the water to the next chamber or to the rear of the boat.

Again, I point out the huge amount of energy required to generate the Brown’s Gas, compared to the little amount of mechanical energy you get from the water being expelled. You’d go MUCH farther on your batteries if you simply used an electric motor, converting potential electricity directly into mechanical energy